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#1 BlueOvalFitter

 
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 06:06 AM

1996 Corolla DX,1.8 engine,auto,150K miles Went to start as usual but this time the starter was lagging.After it started up turned it off.Would not start,turn over,click or nothing.After about 5 minutes it started up then the CEL came on.Two codes were pulled;crank sensor and cam sensor.I know where the crank sensor is but I cannot find any information on the cam sensor.Any input is greatly appreciated.

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 12:26 PM

DOHC engine, is the cam sensor mounted on the end of the cylinder head, towards the driver side of the car?

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 02:24 PM

DOHC engine, is the cam sensor mounted on the end of the cylinder head, towards the driver side of the car?



I don't know.........that's what i'm asking. :unsure:

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 05:25 PM

Camshaft position sensor is located right at the top of the block, just below the cylinder head, and toward the front of the car. You should be able to follow the oil fill cap down and it should be right inline with it. -Techniker

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 05:26 PM

Oh, and if you want to test it, I believe this one should run between 835-1600 ohms, depending on the temperature. -Techniker

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 05:33 PM

Camshaft position sensor is located right at the top of the block, just below the cylinder head, and toward the front of the car. You should be able to follow the oil fill cap down and it should be right inline with it.

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I see the sensor you are talking about but I was told that was the oil sending unit/sensor.I called several Toyota parts places today and they said there is no cam sensor.They said the crank sensor handles both jobs. :blink:

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 10:26 PM

I see the sensor you are talking about but I was told that was the oil sending unit/sensor.I called several Toyota parts places today and they said there is no cam sensor.They said the crank sensor handles both jobs. :blink:


That sounds strange considering that if that were the oil sensor, it's in a region that should not actually be receiving that much oil at all, and certainly not under any pressure...

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 10:40 AM

Changed out the crank sensor and it fixed the problem.The car actually idles better and runs better overall.The sensor was $79.99 plus tax from AZ.Toyota wanted $100 diagnostic fee,$95.00 an hour labor,and $139.95 for the part.Dayum it feels good to save all that money! B)

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 07:13 PM

you should have bought the Toyota part, autozone electronics should stay where they are, behind the counter! you'll prob have to do it again, next time spring the extra$ and get the real part.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 07:37 PM

you should have bought the Toyota part, autozone electronics should stay where they are, behind the counter! you'll prob have to do it again, next time spring the extra$ and get the real part.


Ok,lets do some simple math here.
Toyota part $139.95,12 month warranty.
Auto Zone part,79.99,Lifetime warranty.
Seems like Toyota is getting the upper hand here.I'll stand by my choice and sleep better at night! B)

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:14 PM

Changed out the crank sensor and it fixed the problem.The car actually idles better and runs better overall.The sensor was $79.99 plus tax from AZ.Toyota wanted $100 diagnostic fee,$95.00 an hour labor,and $139.95 for the part.Dayum it feels good to save all that money! B)


That's great! Pretty outrageous what the Toyota dealership charges isn't it? It probably would have been a nearly $400 repair bill.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 07:01 PM

That's great! Pretty outrageous what the Toyota dealership charges isn't it? It probably would have been a nearly $400 repair bill.

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Yeah,$400 for something I can actually do myself! Anyway,thanx for the advice and the positive responses. :)

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 07:33 PM

I read this thread, and had to comment a little on it. I sold my old Escort with 200 K on it to a co-worker of mine in 2007. When i bought my new car. Since then, like clockwork, once a year, the front wheel bearings seem to go out in that Escort. Why is that, you may ask? I will gladly tell you. So i asked him WHERE was he getting the wheel bearings? First reply, AutoZone. I just about knew the answer to the question before i even asked it................... The 2nd time i helped him, he got the wheel bearings from E-Bay. And guess where the bearings were made? China.................... The 3rd time he asked me to help him with the bearings, i said let's go to Ford and see how much thease wheel bearings are going to cost. He just about had a heart attack when he found out that just one wheel bearing from Ford was a little more than the pair of E-Bay bearings. I said ok, the Ford bearings are more money. But the original bearings were STILL in the car when i sold it to you. With 200 K on the clock. NOW do you know why the Ford bearings are twice the price? He got another set of E-Bay bearings. I can not win......................... :o

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 07:45 PM

I read this thread, and had to comment a little on it. I sold my old Escort with 200 K on it to a co-worker of mine in 2007. When i bought my new car. Since then, like clockwork, once a year, the front wheel bearings go out in the ol' Escort. And i was the one helping him press the bearings in and out of the hubs.

So i asked him WHERE was he getting the wheel bearings? First reply, AutoZone. I just about knew the answer to the question before i even asked it...................

The 2nd time i helped him, he got the wheel bearings from E-Bay. And guess where the bearings were made? China....................

The 3rd time he asked me to help him with the bearings, i said let's go to Ford and see how much thease wheel bearings are going to cost. He just about had a heart attack when he found out that just one wheel bearing from Ford was a little more than the pair of E-Bay bearings.

I said ok, the Ford bearings are more money. But the original bearings were STILL in the car when i sold it to you. With 200 K on the clock. NOW do you know why the Ford bearings are twice the price?

He got another set of E-Bay bearings. I can not win......................... :o


There are times when I only buy factory parts for certain things.....but in this case,I could not see paying that much more for a factory part that only had a 12 month warranty compared to a lifetime warranty.
367 days later...."Mr. Toyota parts guy,I bought this sensor about a year ago.Even tho its 2 days over warranty can it be replaced"?
Mr. Toyota parts guy....."Sorry but it only had a 12 month warranty.A new one will cost you $145.99.....it has gone up due to inflation".

"Mr. AZ parts guy,I bought this sensor here about a year ago.It has a lifetime warranty........can I get a new one"?
Mr. AZ parts guy......."All we need is your name........ok,here is your new part.".

Get the point? :)

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 07:15 AM

the point is from a professionals stand point which for those of us who actually do this for a living are is that az, advanced or where ever has shit parts plain and simple. if you want to change the same parts over and over again thats fine but my time is worth too much to screw around playing that game, been there done that. that is my point :D

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 09:01 AM

the point is from a professionals stand point which for those of us who actually do this for a living are is that az, advanced or where ever has shit parts plain and simple. if you want to change the same parts over and over again thats fine but my time is worth too much to screw around playing that game, been there done that. that is my point :D


Yeah,and just because you might work for Toyota means everyone needing a Toyota part should buy it from Toyota, just to keep your job and to say,"Hey,look at me....I just got bent over and payed too much for a part that I could have gone elsewhere and payed less and it meets or exceeds Toyota standards"! Thats my point! B)

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Posted 20 February 2011 - 05:54 PM

I like it when Autozone is juxtaposed with China. Because we all know Ford and the other OEMs use parts made exclusively in the US... :rolleyes:

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Posted 20 February 2011 - 05:57 PM

the point is from a professionals stand point which for those of us who actually do this for a living are is that az, advanced or where ever has shit parts plain and simple. if you want to change the same parts over and over again thats fine but my time is worth too much to screw around playing that game, been there done that. that is my point :D


Your time is only worth what someone is willing to pay. In the case of BlueOvalFitter doing his own...that would make your time worth $0.00/hr.

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Posted 20 February 2011 - 08:07 PM

Your time is only worth what someone is willing to pay. In the case of BlueOvalFitter doing his own...that would make your time worth $0.00/hr.


Very well said! :lol:

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Posted 20 February 2011 - 09:56 PM

Very well said! :lol:


Sorry! I always feel my blood pressure rise when I hear the phrase, "My time is worth too much..." and the attitude that goes with it. Of course, I'm probably going to get bashed over here now for that just like I am at the Garagejournal board. I dared to choose a bottle jack over a scissor jack for an onboard carry. The grammar corrections I get to make are fun though!

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