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#1 Beechkid

 
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 04:38 AM

[color=#000000;][font="'Times New Roman';"]Update.....September 17, 2013[/color][/font]

 

[color=#000000;][font="'Times New Roman';"]Yesterday my relative was involved in an accident with this vehicle.  In summary, she traveling and de-accelerating from 30 mph , approaching a stop sign.  Prior to the main intersection, a driver purposefully pulled out from a side street, my relative struck the rear quarter panel of the vehicle.  Here is important information, while crumple zones (crash absorbent) are designed into every vehicle to reduce impact unto the occupants, this vehicle was totaled.....the engine/transaxle mounts broke (as designed0 but shoving the entire drivetrain into the front occupant compartment....law enforcement investigators have confirmed the speed of my relatives vehicle was 30 mph and slowing when the collision occurred.  The structural failure (my opinion) combined with the air-bag system activation induced both visual & physical trauma to the driver (my relative) to the extend they vomited & then lost consciousness, requiring transport to a trauma I center.  Regardless of what safety rating these or any vehicle receives, it is important to have someone who understands basic vehicle structures/mechanics look at a vehicle before purchase.  If this would have occurred, I personally would have never let this sale go proceed.....and mind you, this level of damage occurred at 30 mph, slowing and a glancing blow.....[/color][/font]

[color=#000000;][font="'Times New Roman';"]Prior to anyone purchasing this as a "family" vehicle after reading this, should strongly re-consider as you family's well being is surely "At Risk"  IMHO. [/color][/font]

 

 

[color=#000000;][font="'Times New Roman';"]I recently spend a full day driving family members 2012 CRV. With 1,000 miles on the odometer, I spent the previous day doing routine service checks & cleaning (wash/vacuumed) before our departure from So Cal to Solvang (July 2012) and other locations for the day. Total miles traveled was just over 300 in both city/hwy (including very heavy traffic). Our speeds ranged from 5 mph (stop/go) to 80 mph. On board were 4 persons ranging in age from early 20's to early 70's.[/color][/font]

[color=#000000;][font="'Times New Roman';"]My opinion, as a former Honda owner (1500 cvcc civic hatchback) I was anxious to really experience what Honda had accomplished. My opinion .....[/color][/font]

[color=#000000;][font="'Times New Roman';"]As I washed & waxed the paint I observed what was unmistakable Honda, very thin paint...a continued issue that effects longitivity of the quality finish/shine that has plagued Hondas for decades- I guess when you are trying to cut every corner and save every penny, it counts but at the long term expense of the owner that degrades the potential resale/trade-in value. Additionally, the “plastic” front bumper cover (commonly found on all vehicles) was exhibiting checking on the very bottom, a sign/indicator that the primer was improperly applied, and/or did not possess the proper composition to ensure bonding in flexible situations which it must be designed to for.[/color][/font]

[color=#000000;][font="'Times New Roman';"]I also found the fit of the exterior body panels to be poor....while horizontal panel lines ran parallel, the gap was excessive (even larger than the Honda’s 80’s) and alignment (surface to surface) was misaligned by 1/16”…. better than in the 80's & 90's, but given the robotic assembly that is used by every mfg including Honda, these tolerances should be at minimum 1/3 less just to match that of every other mfg in the world. The bodylines (styling) is one of the beholder, but looking at the doors & side panels it was very clear in an attempt to minimize weight, panel strength had been sacrificed...as the large height of the panels would not support their shape with the standard gauge metal found in Hondas’…meaning, the panels will bend, twist & warp as a result of vehicle flex because there is not enough strength….requiring the “unique” placement of body lines, creases, etc to provide that rigidity. On the surface, that sounds good but in long term reality, the shape of the bodylines only provides a temp solution and in 10 years under normal use, the body panels will have many “waves’ as a result.[/color][/font]

[color=#000000;][font="'Times New Roman';"]The interior….standard Honda (seats, upholstery, carpets, mats, etc.), they do the job, nothing great or bad. The dash layout & e-tronics were adequate & functioned as required…I say adequate because there was really nothing outstanding or bad about them. The one exception that I can say is the dash mounted shifter……this thing reminds me of the same automatic transmission shifters used in school buses………both in location & style- you have to be kidding me Honda, this is the best you could come up with?[/color][/font]

[font="'Times New Roman';"][color=rgb(0,0,0);]Drive train- Honda’s engines are unmistakable still excellent, but the automatic transmission was clearly geared for operation that didn’t requiring the ability to pass another slow moving vehicle or provide the immediate torque to accelerate from a dead stop to get out of the way from being rear-ended…an issue for any family vehicle to take seriously into consideration…additionally, the e-control software program for the transmission specifically limited the performance of the engine by not being matched to the engine’s power band. Mfg’s who have weak drive train components will do this as a way to eliminate the force onto these parts…….they can still advertise the engine turns 7,000 RPM & makes 200 hp, but in all reality when you get it on the road, the transmission will not allow the engine to rev above 5200 rpm (lets say) by shifting into the next gear. Torque steer at freeway speeds is present (especially during acceleration onto the freeway)- almost as bad as the front wheel drives of the 70’s…. considering that every mfg both domestic & foreign has resolved this through common design practices, is inconceivable why Honda has not employed the same practices into this that they have in the new civic- I guess saving another 10 cents.[/color][/font]

[font="'Times New Roman';"][color=rgb(0,0,0);]Tires/Suspension- Adequate in terms of general handling, braking, turning, etc. But, especially observable at hwy speeds, the rear suspension does not track well, the rear suspension constantly follows the “groves” of the road in some cases almost to the point of “disobeying” the commands of driver input into the front suspension (this could easily pose a unsafe handling issue on wet/slippery roads)….again, another definite issue that any family should strongly consider before purchasing.[/color][/font]

[font="'Times New Roman';"][color=rgb(0,0,0);]Gas mileage- yes, all Hondas get good mileage and we ran this one in both Eco & non-eco modes- and averaged 33 mpg. But here is a point of issue- for several hours on our trip we wanted to see just what the max/best mpg we could get (tracking by both the mpg meter & fill up- which BTW the mpg meter is pretty close)- this 3,000 pound vehicle actually only got about 6 mpg better than my 5,000 pound Ford 150 (2006, 5.4 V8, Super crew- 4 door, 2 wheel drive). Thinking back to my Honda which almost always got 35 mpg +, 30 years later Honda should have been able to gain much more mpg’s & power than what they have achieved…..I felt shortchanged.[/color][/font]

[font="'Times New Roman';"][color=rgb(0,0,0);]Unless you have never driven a good car (low or high end), I simply cannot see how anyone could look carefully, test drive this vehicle and believe it is a good vehicle. There are just so many industry standards that Honda has both failed to meet by any mfg comparison and even that aside, taking into consideration of what the Honda’s were of 20/30 years ago and by comparison see what they are producing for the increased price today, is disappointing especially when you look at the return on investment. Yes in the short term your resale is ok, but at 5 years+, the quality of just the aesthetic materials alone will cause a substantial financial loss compared to what the competition is providing today (and has been for the past 5 years). In any economy but especially today with all of the financial struggles that exist, please look very carefully at not just the name on this vehicle, but these issues because it is your very hard earned money that each person relies upon to build/provide for their future- Honda has clearly failed to arise to the occasion in this aspect.[/color][/font]


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Posted 22 August 2012 - 04:50 PM

When i was at the Chicago auto show earlier this year, i had to find out what all the buzz was about. To this day, i am not so sure what about a Honda makes a lady wet between the legs, nor gives a guy a hard on. Those cars do nothing for me. I sat in a Honda Fit. WAY too small for me. And i am certainly not a big guy. I tried the controls, and noticed that there was only one pre programmed position for the intermittent wiper speed. WTF? I asked the goof on the display about it, thinking maybe it was an added option to get the different speeds. He said no. This was how it was made. NEXT. Got into a Civic. The drivers seat felt like a old piece of a carpet sample was tossed over a steel milkcrate. I was getting pinched at the upper thigh / lower ass cheek area. If a chair bothers me so bad in the showroom, what is it going to be like on a road trip? Reminded me of a 2000 Focus i rented. After 1.5 hours on the road, i was ready to get out, toss a lit road flare into the back seat, and walk home. Next was the Accord. That car actually fit me quite nicely. Seating was pretty good, knobs and controls laid out well, seemed like it was thought out, planned, and put togeather right. My only real gripe was the price. It was right up there with a Buick. Given the choice, i would rather go with the Buick. Reason being, i prefer American made GM vehicles. Easy to get parts, due to the volume. Not having to drive to the next county for any service work, and i am supporting the USA. I am a little bit of a history geek. And for what those slant eyed Japs did to our boys during WW2, we should have dropped a few more nukes on them, turned their island into another Disney World, and made them speak English.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 09:57 PM

When i was at the Chicago auto show earlier this year, i had to find out what all the buzz was about. To this day, i am not so sure what about a Honda makes a lady wet between the legs, nor gives a guy a hard on. Those cars do nothing for me.

I sat in a Honda Fit. WAY too small for me. And i am certainly not a big guy. I tried the controls, and noticed that there was only one pre programmed position for the intermittent wiper speed. WTF? I asked the goof on the display about it, thinking maybe it was an added option to get the different speeds. He said no. This was how it was made. NEXT.

Got into a Civic. The drivers seat felt like a old piece of a carpet sample was tossed over a steel milkcrate. I was getting pinched at the upper thigh / lower ass cheek area. If a chair bothers me so bad in the showroom, what is it going to be like on a road trip? Reminded me of a 2000 Focus i rented. After 1.5 hours on the road, i was ready to get out, toss a lit road flare into the back seat, and walk home.

Next was the Accord. That car actually fit me quite nicely. Seating was pretty good, knobs and controls laid out well, seemed like it was thought out, planned, and put togeather right. My only real gripe was the price. It was right up there with a Buick. Given the choice, i would rather go with the Buick. Reason being, i prefer American made GM vehicles. Easy to get parts, due to the volume. Not having to drive to the next county for any service work, and i am supporting the USA.

I am a little bit of a history geek. And for what those slant eyed Japs did to our boys during WW2, we should have dropped a few more nukes on them, turned their island into another Disney World, and made them speak English.


All the Starbucks drinking liberal hipster douchebags drive Hondas. As Salty would call them, "a 4000lb smart phone".

I like your take on the Japanese junk. Feel free to come by my dumpster for some pothole stew and Salty's spam.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 10:43 PM

My main complaint about Hondas, or any other Japanese car, is the constant banging on about how they're infallible and never break. They break and suffer recalls and service bulletins just like everything else on the road but the press and much of the general public is quick to give them a pass. Consumer Reports and their hokey test methodogy is one of them.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 05:11 PM

The Japs are also prone to hiding and fighting any recall. To them that is admitting failure. Not a common word in their vocabulary. Back in the day, i have done all sorts of work on those Jap Scrap Crap cars. Must-be-shittys, Datsuns, Hondas, Mazdas, Toyotas, Izuzus, etc. There isn't a one i would put my license plate on. The only exception to that was when i bought my 1996 Escort. Which was basically a Mazda Protege. My 1984 Bronco 2 was on death's door, i needed a ride, and my aunt wanted out of said Escort. She made me a deal i could not refuse. When i finally got my current job, and my probation period was up, i went car shopping. This time i bought a car i actually wanted, NOT one i needed. 2nd new car in my life. Hopefully, after 10 + years and another 200 K miles later, i will repeat this process.

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